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 2008-04-27 01:58:00
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老外讨论shoe 和 boot
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 echoflying
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看到一篇个讨论鞋子和靴子的帖子，提问的人比较初级，但回复的人确理性而渊博。 原文在：http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.climbing/2006-05/msg00125.html 提问： Recently I have started to go to the mountains more often and would like to buy some better equipment now. Sometimes I run in the mountains and have been using regular running shoes for it. But on steep rocky trails the slippy sole feels too dangerous. Other time I just go hiking on medium or medium-hard trails. If I want to buy only one pair of shoes which option would be better. I can't decide between 1) buying trail running shoes and use them for mountain running as well as regular hiking 2) or buying stiff hiking boots and use regular running shoes for running. What do you think? Do you have any recommendations? I have never used boots for hiking (expect in the winter, for the temperature) and seem to be fine with regular sport shoes (except that they are too slippy). What is the advantage of hiking boots compare to trail running shoes? shoe意思类似我们现在经常说的低帮的鞋子、boot，靴子，高帮的登山鞋。某人只想添置一双鞋子，于是问是shoe好呢，还是boot好。 提问题的人有时穿传统跑鞋在山中跑，但湿的岩石会滑，感觉比较危险。然后，还会去一些中等或中高级的线路徒步。 问题是啥鞋子好，低帮的(trial running shoes)还是高帮的(hiking boots)。 看看第一个回答： Two comments: (1) Tall boots prevent sore and twisted ankles, especially if are carrying substantial backpack weight. (2) The better hiking boots will have tough soles. Running shoes and cheap hikers wear out their soles in 20-40 hiking days. I use the "key" test to scratch soles in the store if I dont recognize the sole brand. If I can scratch it, it will wear out in one season. 第一个人说了，有两个建议，一是高帮的能保护脚踝（地球人都知道），特别是有负重的时候；第二个建议说好的hiking boots有硬的底（tough soles）。再说跑鞋和便宜的鞋子穿20～40天（实际徒步的天数）就玩完了。（鬼佬这么费鞋，怪不得福建做鞋子的代工厂生意好好啊）再交了一个测试鞋底的招数，用钥匙划，能划出道的一个季度就会玩完。 第二个回答： I have about 6-7 active pair of various shoes and boots. I would never run in anything but a very good running shoe. Too much potential for impact injuries. I have Adidas Supernovas. I would consider most of the "running" shoes by Sportiva, North Face and Montrail to be more for trail hiking. Too heavy, hard and stiff for running. For other than running, it really just comes down to how much weight you are carrying and whether you will be traveling on snow. Sounds to me like you are looking for an "approach" shoe. Garmont makes various good models, for example. Much stiffer than a running shoe, more stable, better tread for talus, etc. This kind of shoe covers about 80-90% of my time in the mountains. Next up for snow and heavy packing is a lightweight leather/synthetic boot. I got a pair of Trango EVO's a year ago. They look incredibly gay (euro red), but function very well. They work with crampons, are lightweight, goretex, etc. After that it's plastics for me, although considering a heavier leather/synthetic insulated type boot and saving the plastics for the 0.5% of the time when I really need the extra insulation and water resistance. - Nate 这个比较专业，穿过N多鞋子。有一双是 Adidas 的 Supernovas。（查了下，应该属于trial running一类的鞋子。跑山应该是比较流行的活动，否则爱迪也不会专门为此做这个鞋子，但在国内类似概念不多，vasque4月在深圳整的活动应该属于此类） 再就说如果是“跑”，会考虑下面几个牌子的东东：Sportiva, North Face, Montrail。 之后才根据所需要背负重量或者是否会在雪地行走考虑选择鞋子。举例说明Garmont有不同型号可选。 再就是重背负和有雪地时的，选择皮或人造的轻的鞋子。有一双的灰色的Trango EVO ，好像不很喜欢灰色的颜色，能上冰爪，GORE-TEX。最后一句没看大懂，求教达人。 俺的收获 高帮的登山鞋往往是老驴所推荐的选择，但实际现在越来越多低帮的轻量的鞋子适用的范围更广。特别是没有过多的背负或者地形比较简单的场景。 第二个人的回复中提及Adidas这样的运动品牌，很让人吃惊。简单搜了一下，hiking、trial running、Gore-tex这样的东东在Adidas、Nike这样的品牌中还是有自己的位置。 而REI这样美国的大零售商居然也有上面提到的Adidas的Supernovas卖。（链接） ---------------------------------------- |
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2008-04-27 10:11:25
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Post #2
Re: 老外讨论shoe 和 boot
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锻打青铜
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英文看不明白 但就从鞋子特别是欧洲一些老牌鞋子的产品线划分看，他们对鞋子划分已经细分化！ 高山靴 雪地靴 长途重载徒步靴 2～3天重载徒步靴 2～3天轻便徒步靴 当日往返等等 具体的大家去户外店去看看产品手册，就会一目了然！ 主要还是钱作怪啊，我等无米！ |
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2008-04-27 18:06:27
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Post #3
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叶开2000
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现在已经不是一双登山鞋打天下的时代了。 登山有MOUNTAINEERINGBOOT, 负重穿越有BACKPACKINGBOOT, 徒步有TRACKING SHOE; 健行有HIKKING SHOE; 越野跑有专门的越野跑鞋。 |
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2008-04-27 22:39:26
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淘淘禄
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我只穿徒步鞋，比登山鞋轻，比旅游鞋结实。 |
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2008-04-27 22:52:16
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fengniu
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个人觉得,商家把产品线分得越来越细,一来是技术进步提高保障系数,二来是营销策略让消费者购买更多的鞋.就像手机细分什么商务,音乐同一地域户外地貌的区别并不像商家对产品细分得那么清晰,不然我们出个远门要开着卡车来运鞋,一天要换上十几次了. 美国佬喜欢跑步,所以美国品牌的越野跑鞋都做得很出色,欧洲人喜欢爬山,所以登山鞋是他们的特长. ---------------------------------------- |
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2008-04-29 18:00:47
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ivan
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After that it's plastics for me, although considering a heavier leather/synthetic insulated type boot and saving the plastics for the 0.5% of the time when I really need the extra insulation and water resistance. 这段说的是 如果再高级他就要上塑料靴（双层）了，尽管重型皮靴（人造纤维填充的靴子）穿起来会快一些 但是如果需要特别的保温和防水还是双层的比较靠谱 ---------------------------------------- |
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2008-04-29 18:03:54
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ivan
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fengniu wrote: 部分同意 但是认清环境选择合适的鞋子（装备） 始终是出行准备不可缺少的 产品细分的只是给你更多的选择机会，最终还是要靠个人体验，不要被商家牵着鼻子走就好了。 ---------------------------------------- |
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2008-07-24 15:52:53
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再见蓝天
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ivan wrote: 基本上大部分人都被商家牵着鼻子走，这是没办法的事情。经验丰富且有自制能力的人毕竟少。 ---------------------------------------- |
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2008-08-01 20:02:30
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Post #9
Re: 老外讨论shoe 和 boot
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叮铃铃
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虽然是阅读，但是格式， 题型和我们考听力的题型差不多，好玩。 特别是BEC
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2008-08-19 17:34:26
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Post #10
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psusong
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adidas的那个鞋还是很不错的。作为跑鞋还是很便宜。 |
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2008-08-21 03:00:29
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Post #11
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啡言茶语
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fengniu wrote: 有可能,但也未必,为什么这么细分,我接触过英国的一个牌子INOV-8,这个厂家对鞋子的理解是从所处的运动入手,不同的运动,脚骨的位置和移动也不同,针对不同的运动特性来对鞋子进行调整,这也不是这一两年才提出来的了.地貌只是一个考虑的因素,主要还是在足部运动的特点决定你要选择什么样的鞋子.一双鞋肯定不能包打天下,只能是选择适应范围相对大一些的鞋子还是针对性强一些的鞋子.记得西班牙的百适途有一个0-5000的概念,就是那鞋是适合在短时间里从海拔0米到海拔5000米的足部运动.那鞋开始是给俄国情报部门定制的,现在我国的某部门也有装备.要是厂家真的只是想多卖鞋,那何不搞个套装销售呢?我们身边有很多阴谋,但不代表所有的都是阴谋 
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2008-08-21 03:08:15
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Post #12
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啡言茶语
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再见蓝天 wrote: 主要是现在品种这么多,作为一个消费者,你不可能全部都测试到位吧?有这个经济实力,也没那个时间啊,呵呵,,,,,自制其实也不难,主要是看你自己的要求去到哪里了.还记得欧洲挖出来的那个冰人么?他的鞋就很简单,一个套,里面塞的是草,可就这鞋,考古队里有人仿造了,穿起来还相当舒服,爬山也没任何问题.具体内容记不起来了，但只要你不是要求美观,其实很多东西都能自制的.我就在大街上看到过一个乞丐,身上穿的衣服,裤子和鞋,都是用塑料袋子做的,就象蓑衣那样,让我感到十分佩服,那天还下着雨,我觉得他的装备简直酷毙了,相当的实用 |
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2008-08-21 03:10:17
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啡言茶语
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psusong wrote: 但不耐穿,,,呵呵,,,,,, |
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