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Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
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Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故

暂时没时间翻译,会看英文的可以先看,我有空再翻,就是最近几个月的事情。

(将combat2000同学的翻译放到第一页,方便不愿意看英文的同学。这篇潜水的报告还是很客观,值得大家讨论。—— Cake)

Death in the Galapagos
a fatal first dive that wasn’t fit for not-so-advanced divers
from the May, 2010 issue of Undercurrent
Galapagos的死亡事故--对于初级潜水者来说并不适合的第一个致命下潜
--2010年5月,关于水下洋流的主题


The first real dive of a scuba trip for 14 divers aboard the Galapagos Aggressor II ended in the death of E.G., a 23-year-old kindergarten teacher from Galveston, Texas. But for a twist of fate, my wife and I could have unfortunately been with E.G. today. Here is my account of this fateful trip.
14个潜水员跟Aggressor II船在Galapagos第一次正式潜水以一位23岁的德州幼儿园教师,E.G.的死亡结束。我和太太的运气还不错,不然,我们的下场也会跟E.G.一样的。以下就是我对这次旅行的简报。

On February 11, my wife, Kimberly, and I met E.G., Denise Friou, divemasters Jamie and Patricio, and the other 10 divers at the San Cristóbal Island airport. Being the two unaccompanied women on the trip, E.G. and Denise immediately gravitated toward one another. We were bused to the Galapagos Aggressor II, boarded and given a short briefing and room assignments. At the dock, we made a 20-minute, 20-foot checkout dive. As many of us did, E.G. struggled to find the proper weight for neutral buoyancy.
2月11号,我和太太 Kimberly,在San Cristobal岛的机场与其他10位潜水者碰面,其中有E.G., Denise Friou,DM Jamie 和Patricio。 E.G.和Denise都没有同伴,于是她们立马成为一对Partner了。我们按计划登船,听取了行程简报并且分配好房间以后,就在船尾做了一个20分钟,20英尺左右的测试潜。跟我们其中大多数人一样,E.G.费了半天劲才找到中性浮力的合理配重。

The next morning, Jamie briefed us on the dive site, at the easternmost point of North Seymour Island, and the dive plan, using a map drawn on a whiteboard. Visibility was 60 feet and currents were running in different directions. He told us to stay above 90 feet and to surface within an hour. He also told us how to surface safely around the pangas and how to get back into them. I was surprised at the brevity of the briefing, especially as it was our first actual dive of the trip.
次日一早,DM Jamie就给我们在一块白板上手绘做关于潜点的简报,在North Seymour岛的最东边。能见度为60英尺,洋流是几个不同方向流动。他告诉我们在不超过90英尺的深度停留1个小时。他还告诉我们如何安全上浮到橡皮舟周围以及如何上艇。我很纳闷,作为第一个正式下潜前的简报,怎么会如此草率。

After gearing up, E.G., Denise, Kimberly, three other divers and I climbed into one of the two pangas, along with the driver and Patricio, our divemaster. Before we got into the pangas, however, there was no equipment or “air on” check by the divemasters, which had been my experience on two other Aggressor trips. I presumed at the site we would get more of a briefing and safety checks but after traveling only 100 yards to the dive spot, Patricio told us all to backroll into the water on his command, otherwise the panga would be unstable.
穿戴好装备,E.G. Denise,我太太KIMBERLY 加上我和其他4位潜水员爬上两艘橡皮艇的其中一艘,我们的DM Patricio也在这艘艇上。在我们登艇前,DM没有对我们进行装备检查,没有检查我们的气瓶确认已经开启,而我之前两次Aggressor船宿,这些DM的检查都有的。我想,可能到了下潜点前,我们会听取一次详细点的简报,再做安全检查。但是,小艇开出100码,就到了下潜点了,Patricio让我们都听他指示同时背滚下海,否则,小艇会侧翻。

A Tough Current
强劲的洋流

Once underwater, Kimberly and I gave each other the OK sign. Patricio and others were 20 feet below us and moving away. I am slow to equalize on early dives, so we fell behind most of the group. We descended faster than usual to stay with the group, though Patricio was always lower and further out from the island than Kimberly and I. Following Patricio, my dive computer indicated we were at 98 feet at five minutes. At six minutes, we were at 104 feet. I thought about Jamie’s briefing: Stay above 90 feet.
下水以后,我太太和我互相做了个OK的手势,Patricio和其他人已经在我们下面20呎的地方,并且已经开始越走越远了。 我潜水初始时候平衡耳压需要比较长的时候,所以,我们就落在大队伍的后面了。我们以快于平常的速度下潜,以求跟上大队,但是Patricio却总是在我和太太的前面和下面,还越走越远。跟着Patricio,我的潜水电脑在第5分钟时显示是98呎的深度。到了第六分钟,我们到了104呎的深度了。我想起了Jamie的简报,不要深过90呎。


Kimberly and I struggled against the current. I was near hyperventilating and had to consciously slow myself down. At the nine-minute mark, Patricio signaled us to grab hold of the sloping bottom and move up against the current, hand over hand. Kimberly and I continued struggling against the current but we finally got control by hanging onto the rocks and moderating our breathing (around the 10- to15-minute mark). I looked around to see where everyone else was. Kimberly and I were well under 2000 psi of air, a lot of air to have used so quickly. I saw what looked to be Patricio communicating to Denise to stay put and hang onto the rocks with the rest of us while he would go look for someone, and it appeared he did. I looked for E.G., but didn’t see her. This was around the 13- to 17-minute mark.
我和太太奋力跟洋流搏斗,我已经有点过度呼吸了,我尽量小心地让自己呼吸慢下来。在第9分钟的时候,Patricio做手势,让我们抓住海底斜坡固定自己抵抗洋流,然后一步一步前进。我和太太在洋流里挣扎,最终我们抓住岩石固定自己并且调整好自己的呼吸,这时,是第10-15分钟的时候。我周围看了一样,看看其他同伴的位置。这时,我和太太的存气是2000 PSI(1BAR=14.5PSI),我们在短时间内消耗了很多的压缩空气。我看到Patricio像是在对着Denise做手势让她抓着岩石原地跟我们呆在一起他去找人,然后他就游开去找人了。我转身找E.G.,但是看不到她。这个时间段大概是第13到第17分钟左右。

We moved up to watch sharks circling in 50 feet of water. At the 24-minute mark, I signaled to Jamie that I was at 700 psi, and he signaled for me to go up. I took Kimberly’s hand to ascend, concerned about being separated in the current. Later, she said I was holding her tightly, as if I was afraid she would drift away. I was.
我们向上前进,去看50呎深度鲨群在打转。到了第24分钟的时候,我对Jamie做手势我的存气量只有700PSI了,他回我一个手势让我上升。我牵着太太的手上升,害怕被洋流吹得我们分开。后来,她说我紧紧抓住她,好像怕她被冲走似的。当时,我的确就是担心这个。

We did a three-minute safety stop, then surfaced at the 30-minute mark. I didn’t see E.G. though I expected her to be on the surface, because there was no way for Patricio and her to fight the current to get back with the group. I thought I heard a diver’s whistle, and told the other panga driver, who took off in that direction. I assumed it was E.G but I suppose it was Patricio, because the next time I saw that panga, he was in it -- and he looked worried.
我们昨晚3分钟的安全停留,在第30分钟的时候浮出海面。我没有看到E.G.,我本来以为她已经上到水面了,因为她和Patricio不可能顶着那么大的流再跟大部队汇合的。我好像听到一位潜水员在吹哨子,我告诉另外一艘小艇的船长,他就往那边去接人了。我以为那会是E.G.,不过,那是Patricio,因为我看到那艘小艇的时候,他在艇上了,看上去好像很担心的样子。

As divers surfaced, I kept looking for E.G. She was young, slightly built and didn’t look strong enough to fight the current. With her training (I’m told she had taken a divemaster course and a rescue course), I figured she would simply go with the current and slowly ascend to the pangas, standard protocol when separated from your dive buddy. She had a diver’s flag designed to activate on the surface. We searched the surface for that flag for hours, both from the Aggressor and the pangas. At some point, I believe Patricio and Jamie dove from a panga to search for E.G. During that time, there was also an aerial search, along with many other boats and the Ecuadorian Coast Guard. I believe Jamie mentioned he was bent from his dive looking for E.G. He was clearly shaken.
当所有潜水员都上水了,我一直在找E.G.。她很年轻,偏瘦,看上去不够强壮,对抗那种强劲的洋流未必能行。但是她的潜水训练水平(我听说她在接受DM和救援训练课程)应该没有问题。我想,她能顺着流漂开,慢慢上浮找小艇去了,这是水下与同伴分散后的标准处理方案来的,她应该懂。她有象拔,可以在水面标清自己位置的。我们在水面搜索她的象拔找了几个小时,在小艇上找,在大船上也找。期间,我看到Patricio和Jamie从小艇上再次下潜去搜索E.G.了。那段时间,还出动了空中搜索,其他当时在海面的船只和厄瓜多尔的海岸警卫队也参与了搜索。我听到Jamie说无论如何都要去找到E.G.,他很明显是被吓坏了。

At some point, he mentioned that it was nearly time for our planned afternoon land excursion. He seemed to be looking for direction about what to do. But how could we go about our vacation not knowing where a missing diver is, not knowing if she is bobbing in the water waiting to be picked up? We told him no.

我记得,Jamie有提到,快到我们计划中下午上岸游览的时间了。他看上去好像不知道该怎么办了。但是我们怎么能扔下一个失踪的潜水员去继续我们的假期?或许她还浮在海面等着我们去接她呢。我们跟Jamie说,我们不去了。

“It Didn’t Feel Right to Continue”
继续行程,感觉上是不对的。

After four-plus hours of searching, we returned to the original dive location. Denise and Patricio went back into the water where E.G. was last seen, taking an extra Nitrox tank, then rode the current to wherever it took them. Denise saw E.G. lying on the bottom at 168 feet, in somewhat of a fetal position, eyes closed, looking restful and calm, without a mask and the regulator out of her mouth. Denise said that after getting E.G. to the surface, the tank registered 2,000 psi of air; she showed signs of drowning, although she didn’t seem to have water in her lungs. Denise was uncertain if E.G. had both her fins on when she was found, but knew at least one came off during the ascent. Ecuadorian officials came on board, questioned us and eventually took E.G. away.
经过超过4个钟头的搜索以后,我们回到我们下水的地方。Denise和Patricio潜下去回到E.G.最后被大家看到的地方,带上了额外一个高氧气瓶,然后顺着洋流飘走。Denise看到E.G.躺在168呎深的海底,一个致命的深度,双目紧闭,看上去很平静很安宁。面罩没有了,Reg不在嘴里。Denise说,把E.G.捞上来以后,她看到气压表显示,还有2000PSI的余量(约为138 Bar)。E.G.看上去有溺水的症状,虽然她看上去肺里没有水。Denise不确定在发现E.G.的时候,她的脚蹼是否都在,不过,她确定在捞她起来的过程中,最少掉了一个。厄瓜多尔的官员上了我们船,逐一询问我们了解情况,最后把E.G.搬走了。

Kimberly later said that around the five-minute mark was the last time she saw E.G., who had been just behind her, toward deeper water. Neither of us remembers seeing her or Denise grabbing onto the bottom. It is Kimberly’s recollection that Denise was in front of her, while E.G. was behind her. I don’t know if anything more could have been done to save E.G. Based on the time Kimberly last saw her and the amount of unused air in her tank, it’s my belief that she died in the six- to nine-minute timeframe.
我太太,KIMBERLY后来说,在第5分钟的时候,是她最后一次看到E.G.,就在她身后,向着深处游去。我们两个都记不起来Denise在抓地的时候还有看到她。Kimberly还记得,Denise在她身前,E.G.在她身后的。我不知道我们还能做多些什么,能挽回E.G.的生命。根据KIMBERLY最后看到E.G.的时间,加上她气瓶的存气量推算,我想,她死于第6至第9分钟这个时间段。

Jamie informed us that Peter Orschel, owner of the Galapagos Aggressor I and II, would make accommodations and provide future credit for anyone who didn’t want to continue the trip. I talked to Peter via the ship’s cell phone. He was very accommodating but sounded shaken and seemed to have been crying. Only three of us - - Denise, Kimberly, and me -- left the ship and headed home. It didn’t feel right to continue. We didn’t feel like partying and having a good time. We didn’t feel safe with the divemasters. We didn’t feel they prepared us for what we were going to do and would encounter. This just may be our own inexperience, however.

Jamie告诉我,Galapagos Aggressor I II两艘船的东主Peter Orschel会对不愿继续旅程的人作出灵活处理并且给予下次旅行的优惠。我用船长的电话跟Peter通了电话,他很随和,但是听起来他很震惊,而且,好像还哭过。只有我们三个人,Denise,我和我太太,离船,回家。感觉上,继续行程,不对。我们无法在感受到度假的那种美好心情了。我们跟着这两位DM没有安全感。我感觉到DM们对我们要去的地方,要面对的情况没有做好充分的准备。或许,是因为我们个人经验不足吧。

Peter met us at the airport on Baltra Island. He seemed to do everything he could for E.G.’s family. Although we were bearing the extra expenses to get back home, Peter’s staff helped arrange our getting back to the mainland. Denise was devastated. She was questioning herself for not doing more and questioning her decision to follow Patricio’s instruction to stay with the group while he searched for E.G..

Peter在Baltra岛机场跟我们碰面,他看上去已经为E.G.的家庭做了所有能做的事情。他的同事帮我们安排回到大陆那边,额外的费用,是我们自己支付的。Denise非常憔悴。她怪罪自己没有再多做一些事情,怪罪自己选择了听从DM Patricio的指示跟着大部队而没有一同去寻找E.G.

“The Truth is Bad for Business”
真相,会影响生意的。

I wrote this account two days after E.G.’s death, in Guayaquil, Ecuador, while on standby for a flight home. We just could not continue on our vacation and enjoy ourselves after what had happened, knowing how E.G.’s family must feel and thinking about a young girl, the age of our children, who had tragically lost her life.
我在E.G.去世后的第三天写的这个文章,在厄瓜多尔的Guayaquil,机场候机回家的时候。发生了这样的惨剧后,我们无法再享受我们的假期了。想想,E.G.的家人会多么伤心,想想这个跟我们孩子一样年纪的年轻女孩,就这样,走了。

After I wrote this and posted it online, a diver who had been on the Galapagos Aggressor II the week before our trip emailed me this note:
我在网上发布这篇文章之后,一位在我们前一周跟Galapagos Aggressor II船宿的潜水员发了一封email给我,以下就是内容:

“I’d like to share my thoughts based on my week on the Aggressor, and I don’t intend to judge anyone. I am a PADI Rescue diver and had 170 dives before entering the boat. My wife has 200+ dives. We both were unsure if we had sufficient experience for the Galapagos. However, we have been to many different places, using all kinds of equipment, in very cold water and with zero visibility. [But] we were challenged by the strong current, too. My wife, an instructor, even aborted one dive because it was too much for her. The big fishes are where the currents are strong, so we expected tough dives from the very beginning. Moreover, Patricio did a good job to find the best ways to get through.
“我只想分享一下我在Aggressor船宿一周的经历,我不想对任何人进行评判。我是个PADI的Rescue Diver,我有170个船潜的经验。我太太有超过200次的潜水经验。我们两人都不确定我们有足够的经验去应付Galapagos的复杂海况。然后,我们去过很多不同的地方,用过各种装备,潜过很冷的海水,潜过零能见度的地方。但是,我们在Galapagos同样面对了强流的挑战。我太太,是Instructor,连她都因为无法应付那么复杂的环境放弃了其中一潜。要知道,大鱼都在有强流的地方,我们对海底强流有心理准备了。而且,Patricio那时干得不错,他找到一个正确的方法让我们穿过洋流了。”

“I would not recommend the trip to anyone with significantly fewer than 200 dives, and some of those [should be] in stronger currents. The problem is no one tells this to the divers for business reasons. We had professionals among the guests with 4,000-plus dives, and they confirmed that the usual minimum requirement in ads is “50- plus” for difficult dives anywhere. This is definitely not sufficient.
“我不建议少于200潜经验的人去参加这个旅程,尤其其中一些潜点的洋流会更强劲。问题是,出于商业上的原因,没有人告诉那些潜水员这些困难。与我同行的游客中,有超过4000次潜水经验的职业潜水员,他们说,任何复杂的潜水点的广告上通常要求游客有最低有50次的潜水经验,这个要求,真的是不足够的。”

“And PADI et al. make it worse when they certify people as divemasters or even instructors with 60 or 120 dives, most of them in lakes or swimming pools. My wife’s instructor certification was worth nothing at Darwin’s Arch, where the current was so strong it twisted our reef hooks. The only thing that counts is experience, and this cannot be provided by the dive guides. However, only a few instructors I’ve seen tell their students bluntly about their capabilities and prevent them from overestimation. For the same reason - - the truth is bad for business.”

“PADI以及其他组织其他人的一些做法,让事情变得更可怕,他们给只有60个log的人发DM认证,给只有120个log的人发Instructor认证,而这些人的潜水LOG数,很多还是在湖里,在游泳池里完成的。我太太的Instructor证书在Darwin's Arch那个潜点根本就一文不值,那里的洋流能把我们的流钩弄弯。唯一可靠的,只有经验,经验是潜导不能给你的。我见过一些教练,狠批他们的学生的能力,防止他们过高估计自己的水平。同样的原因,讲出真相,会损害自己的生意。”

So what could have prevented this tragedy? Keep in mind I am not a very experienced diver (150 dives over 10years; 100 of them in the last six), but the following are my suggestions:
那,我们该怎么做,才能防止这种悲剧的发生?请紧记,我不是一个经验丰富的潜水员(至少在过去10年里有150次的潜水经验,其中过去六年中有100次)。以下,是我的建议:
1. The dive briefing and the dive plan could have been much more detailed.
潜水简报和潜水计划,本来应该尽量详细些。
2. The divemaster should do what he can to keep the group from getting as spread out as we did.
DM本应该把队伍拢在一起而不是象现实一样那么分散。
3. We should not have gone beyond the 90-foot limit given in the topside briefing; we may have avoided the heavy current, as the other group of divers apparently did.
我们本不该超过90呎深度的,在船上已经做过简报了。我们本该避开那些强流,正如另外一组潜水员那样。
4. The Aggressor fleet - - in fact, any liveaboard based there - - should make it abundantly clear that Galapagos dives are for advanced divers only.
Aggressor公司,作为一个船宿基地,应该非常清晰明了告诉大家,只有资深潜水员才能去Galapagos潜水。
5. A diver should be physically fit and free from any medication influence that may affect diving in such challenging waters.
为了应付如此复杂的水下情况,潜水员应该有强壮的身体,而且,没有任何影响潜水的疾病。
6. Buddies must stay together, in physical and visual proximity, in order to keep good communication.
潜伴,必须待在一起,确保身体之间的距离,目视之间的距离,确保能够互相沟通。
7. The liveaboard should find an easier spot for the first full dive, allowing divers to get more comfortable with the environment, their buddy and their equipment.
船宿主持方,应该找一个容易点的地方来完成第一个正式潜水,令潜水员能更适应当地的环境,他们的潜伴和他们的装备。
8. The boat should provide satellite-locating devices on all dives.
每一潜,船上都应该能提供卫星定位地点。
9. Divers should carry an easily activated noise maker that’s clearly heard underwater.
潜水员应该都随身携带一个能在水下发出清晰可听见的大声音的东西。


John Bisnar lives in Irvine, CA, and is senior partner of the law firm Bisnar Chase. At the time of this dive, he had logged a little more than 150 dives, all from boats in relatively calm, warm waters and high visibility. This dive trip was his third with the Aggressor Fleet.
这篇文章,作者是John Bisnar, 住在加州的IrvineBisnar,他有是一家以自己名字命名的律师事务所的高级合伙人。在这次潜水的时候,他有150次的潜水经验,都是在温暖平静,能见度高的水域进行船潜的。这次潜水旅程,是他第三次参加Aggressor的船宿了。


蛋糕 于 2010-05-08 01:01:58 编辑
 
旧帖 2010-05-04 15:50:36
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
gztea 离线 gztea 顶一下,好像CDNN也提到这个事情,不过没这么详细,不知道是哪个网站看到的。
 
旧帖 2010-05-04 16:06:36
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ricky83lai 离线 ricky83lai 哇,鸟语,等看翻译

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旧帖 2010-05-04 16:32:07
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divejy 离线 divejy RIP

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旧帖 2010-05-04 17:23:45
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
Popoding 离线 Popoding 是个警醒。。。no one tells this to the divers for business reasons。。。。
The only thing that counts is experience...

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旧帖 2010-05-04 18:56:12
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
拖着猫走 离线 拖着猫走 RIP

这个意外涉及到好多需要详细讨论的话题。

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旧帖 2010-05-04 19:23:44
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
malaxiami 离线 malaxiami 我记得坛子里好像有谁提到过在GALAPAGOS潜水有每人发一个卫星定位的东东啊。
看来那里的水流很恐怖啊。。。
 
旧帖 2010-05-04 19:24:46
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
哈欠mm 离线 哈欠mm 我一個朋友告訴我的,潛水的時候她不相信任何人,包括自己老公。
下水前她的東西會檢查三次,自己一次,buddy check一次,再自檢一次。所有的潛點都做好規劃再下水,決不只靠DM的簡介。
有點極端。
不過這種悲劇責任不能單歸于任何一方,對自己的小命負責,有些功課還是不要假手于人的好。

不過說一句,我很反感有的diver爲了考級而考級,20支氣aow,30支拯溺,真有問題還是累己累人的。

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旧帖 2010-05-04 19:44:59
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
purechallenge 离线 purechallenge 惨痛。。。

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旧帖 2010-05-04 19:57:41
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
馒头香香 离线 馒头香香 大概的看了一遍...
这位年轻的姑娘23岁E.G..
她出事后,找到尸体拉回船的时候气瓶里的气还有200帕?
会不会是气瓶根本就没完全打开哦.跳到水里因为流大,没经验什么的。几分钟后就去了?
新手还是要注意啊。

我个人感觉在水里强流是件蛮恐怖的事情,碰到流我都是紧跟着潜导.和潜伴之中的。

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旧帖 2010-05-04 21:19:18
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
风舞天蓝 离线 风舞天蓝 流太大如果实在不能控制,只能升水喽,很少有BCD充气还上不去的吧?要是没开气就太可怕了,吸不到气,又无法给BCD充气,咋办呢?

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旧帖 2010-05-04 21:32:14
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
lefthand 离线 lefthand 落水前会检查气等各方面的东西,我在菲律宾就遇到了无帮我换气瓶(二潜),只剩下第一潜的50气.......很都时候还是需要自己检查了
 
旧帖 2010-05-04 21:50:13
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
gztea 离线 gztea She was young, slightly built and didn’t look strong enough to fight the current. With her training (I’m told she had taken a divemaster course and a rescue course),

就算是新手,也不是很新的了,很多时候,新手反而是安全的。
例如我LP:流大哦,不下了!
 
旧帖 2010-05-04 21:51:17
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
风舞天蓝 离线 风舞天蓝 168feet还是能看到底,要是在SIPADAN的600米深水,恐怕连人都找不到了

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旧帖 2010-05-04 22:49:36
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
phoebesyr 离线 phoebesyr 新手,真的需要有經驗豐富的潛導或者教練帶著才安心呢
這次去SIPADAN,第一次遇到流,一下子就不知道怎麼辦啦,看到旁邊的人都找個岩石抱著,這時候教練過來拉著找了個岩石才定住,感覺身體還是要被沖走,拼命抱住石頭,手臂都擦傷啦
還有SAFETY STOP的時候,一直要被沖走,只好抓著教練。。。。。。。
這個還是要多練吧,在菜鳥階段,還是菜菜的死命跟著教練或者潛導咯
 
旧帖 2010-05-04 23:34:51
Post #17
Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
锥齿鲨 离线 锥齿鲨
哈欠mm wrote:
我一個朋友告訴我的,潛水的時候她不相信任何人,包括自己老公。
下水前她的東西會檢查三次,自己一次,buddy check一次,再自檢一次。所有的潛點都做好規劃再下水,決不只靠DM的簡介。
有點極端。
不過這種悲劇責任不能單歸于任何一方,對自己的小命負責,有些功課還是不要假手于人的好。

不過說一句,我很反感有的diver爲了考級而考級,20支氣aow,30支拯溺,真有問題還是累己累人的。



很多潜水人都被宠坏了,以为出什么状况都有DM搞定。当生命受威胁的时候,谁可以帮他/她呢?

我很鼓励潜水朋友考救援,不是为了救人,起码懂得一些自救的常识,这些都是建立在有一定的潜水经验之后。那新人怎么累计潜水经验呢?就去一些容易应付的潜点,而不是跟朋友去那里就那里,尤其是船潜。

逝者已矣,愿安息。
而我们就要开开心心出门,平平安安回家。
 
旧帖 2010-05-04 23:34:57
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
zhukeding 离线 zhukeding 很好的警示!

Galapagos...
 
旧帖 2010-05-04 23:51:35
Post #19
Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
Popoding 离线 Popoding
馒头香香 wrote:
大概的看了一遍...
这位年轻的姑娘23岁E.G..
她出事后,找到尸体拉回船的时候气瓶里的气还有200帕?
会不会是气瓶根本就没完全打开哦.跳到水里因为流大,没经验什么的。几分钟后就去了?
新手还是要注意啊。

我个人感觉在水里强流是件蛮恐怖的事情,碰到流我都是紧跟着潜导.和潜伴之中的。

2000psi,是和bar不同的另一种单位制,
psi是磅/平方英寸
大概1 bar约=14.5 psi这样子,一般休闲潜水时的满气200bar约等于是3000psi

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旧帖 2010-05-05 00:08:59
Post #20
Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
Popoding 离线 Popoding
哈欠mm wrote:
我一個朋友告訴我的,潛水的時候她不相信任何人,包括自己老公。
下水前她的東西會檢查三次,自己一次,buddy check一次,再自檢一次。所有的潛點都做好規劃再下水,決不只靠DM的簡介。
有點極端。
不過這種悲劇責任不能單歸于任何一方,對自己的小命負責,有些功課還是不要假手于人的好。

不過說一句,我很反感有的diver爲了考級而考級,20支氣aow,30支拯溺,真有問題還是累己累人的。


我同意,自己的装备一定要自己检查。我一般也是自己每换一个气瓶之后查一次,临下水穿好装备再自检一次。
有人催我也要check,而且其实自检很快,一分钟的事儿。

我不反对考级,但是要明白那个级别不能说明一切,
其实学得越多,越应该明白很多问题不是学了书本上的知识就能处理得来的。
即使有DM或者instructor的名号,遇到没有见过的问题同样也会慌张,只不过经验越丰富、心理素质越好的人,越容易冷静下来,寻找解决问题的方法。
当然,最好的是循序渐进。
我觉得磨坊的筒子们也可以开个帖子,说一下大概什么水平的diver适合去什么地方,给潜点评个难易等级。


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2014 第十三次的停泊岛 教课也是fundive!

 
旧帖 2010-05-05 00:39:38
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
xsilence 离线 xsilence [quote=锥齿鲨]那新人怎么累计潜水经验呢?就去一些容易应付的潜点,而不是跟朋友去那里就那里,尤其是船潜。

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可不可以开个贴把容易应付,适合新人的潜点列出来给我们新人当路标啊? 谢谢啦

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旧帖 2010-05-05 00:48:06
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
sandyyou 离线 sandyyou 我只是按照我的经验提供一下我的看法,欢迎提供更多的信息和指正
难度初级:
1.菲律宾大部分潜点,
2.Sipadan/停泊岛

提高阶段
3. 印尼-蓝碧/菲律宾部分潜点,PG/APO islland有大流点,可以指定去还是不去
4. 印尼-耷拉湾
5. 印尼-四王或者AMBON,flower地区
6.马尔代夫
7.Palau/Yap/斐济/巴哈马

难度比较大
8. 印尼-komodo.
9  红海
10.南非

终极:
Galapagos
cocos


 
旧帖 2010-05-05 00:53:24
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Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
Popoding 离线 Popoding 3DU筒子也得给一个你界定入门和提高的标准阿,呵呵
我想这个大家心中的标杆差别还蛮大的。

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旧帖 2010-05-05 04:41:45
Post #24
Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
独酌客 离线 独酌客 从发现时肺部没有大量进水看,有可能是被水流打到石头上撞晕了。RIP


馒头香香 wrote:
大概的看了一遍...
这位年轻的姑娘23岁E.G..
她出事后,找到尸体拉回船的时候气瓶里的气还有200帕?
会不会是气瓶根本就没完全打开哦.跳到水里因为流大,没经验什么的。几分钟后就去了?
新手还是要注意啊。

我个人感觉在水里强流是件蛮恐怖的事情,碰到流我都是紧跟着潜导.和潜伴之中的。

 
旧帖 2010-05-05 06:39:39
Post #25
Re: Death in the Galapagos 2月的死亡事故
 
bluelily2007 离线 bluelily2007 i have been to Galapagos just four months ago on Deep Blue but with exactly same itinerary as above, so i am still, kind of familiar with those islands. I would say, compared to more challenging Darwin and Wolf, where hammerheads congregate and currents are extremely strong, tough, unpredictable due to the geographicl location in the wide open ocean,  North Seymour could definitely be described as a comparatively peaceful island with tender current where lots of white tip sharks and sea lion come to feed so it is a little astonishing that the tragedy happened in North Seymour instead of the most dangerous Darwin and Wolf.

However, it is absolutely true that the divemaster on aboard are not taking enough responsibilities. So far as I remember, they never bothered to do the safety check for any diver while instead, they were just forever shouting and urging us to get on the boat as soon as possible. It is really not that pleasant. When you are in such a hurry, any tiniest negligence might turn out to be a tragedy underwater.

I dived Galapagos with the record of no more than fifty dives as an AOW. Also I was all alone on the ship as the only single female. During those seven days on aboard, for many times I had a feeling I might just lose my life here in the deep ocean. However, finally I made through it, and it becomes one of the most amazing, most memoriable experience for life.

 
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