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旧帖 2014-09-24 23:33:06
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04

Re: 皮划艇安全系列之二:大河事故特征和救援

Westwater 案例3

http://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/Accident/detail/accidentid/3077/

Updated: 05/26/2009 02:23:52 PM MDT
An Ohio man died Monday when his raft overturned on the Colorado River, marking the end of a dangerous Memorial Day weekend in southeast Utah. Dennis L. Young, 57, of Columbus, Ohio, was washed down river after his raft flipped at Skull Rapids in Westwater Canyon. The other two people from his raft got out of the water quickly, but Young may have been in the water 20 minutes before other rafters extracted him, said Grand County Chief Deputy Curt Brewer.
Young was wearing a helmet and life jacket, but likely passed out from the cold water and drowned, Brewer said. The group continued to a landing spot at Cisco where they called law enforcement. Heavy rains created flash flooding in southeast Utah just as outdoor enthusiasts and concert- goers descended on the area for the holiday weekend. The Salt Lake Tribune (5/26/09) http://www.sltrib.com/ci_12450911?source=rss Ohio man killed after raft overturns in Utah May 26th, 2009 @ 10:02am MOAB, Utah (AP) -- Police say an Ohio man has been killed after his raft overturned in the Colorado River in southeast Utah. The Grand County sheriff's office says 57-year-old Dennis L. Young, of Columbus, Ohio, was one of three people in the raft on Monday when it flipped over at Skull Rapids in Westwater Canyon. The sheriff's office says the other two people in the raft got out of the water and could not resuscitate Young, The Salt Lake Tribune reported on its Web site Tuesday. They continued to a takeout and then called law enforcement.
KSL.com (5/26/09) http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6607781
Man drowns rafting near Moab
Posted: May 26, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
Sheriff's deputies say an Ohio man is dead following a rafting accident yesterday at Westwater Canyon in Utah. The Grand County Sheriff's Office says 57-year-old Dennis Young was rafting with two other people and a dog in Skull Rapids. They say the raft flipped and two men and the dog were rescued, but Young floated down the river. Once Young's body was recovered, efforts to resuscitate him were not successful. Young was wearing a life jack and helmet at the time.

 
旧帖 2014-09-24 23:45:46
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 这个世界著名的骷髅头骨激流,继续制造事故。骷髅头骨最强大的地方,是如果不刻意走左边,右边是一个非常厉害的漩涡,打翻大筏可能性〉70%, 什么小船硬艇〉95%, 一旦翻了,又难上岸水速奇快,大河事故的经典机制就出现了。

大家可以想想如果你参加这样的活动,有什么办法或决策可以减少出事概率?

上面这个案例:5月底水温10-15度(不太低也不高)水量不小,是漂流活动最容易小看的温度,太冷嘛,早有保温准备,太热嘛,也不会因为温度出大事。很多人忽略了小看了这不低不高的温度。

这个案例判断是失温+自救能力差导致。

这个案例对领队有重大的教育意义:是你的义务强迫穿干/湿衣, 你自己最弱的队员是否能冷静处理长距离游泳。
kurtyang04 于 2014-09-25 01:11:16 编辑
 
旧帖 2014-09-25 00:00:18
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 大水的情况

http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slides/ta00/c9c/e8c/skull-rapid-green-river.jpg

小水的情况

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7055/6938436039_9477994385.jpg
 
旧帖 2014-09-25 00:09:16
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 Westwater 是经典的大河峡谷:

还有一个是很多中国皮划艇手没有经历过的特点:

这个近二十公里的峡谷:如果是大大水,整个二十公里就是一个巨大巨长的激流,因为十个单个的激流由于水流快以及难上岸特点,全串到一块,如果你第一个就翻了没有有效救援,可能准备人体漂激流20公里, 10几个凶猛的激流,就是洋飞云大侠也会命丧黄泉。

在什么地方翻,在多少时间内实施有效救援是这种场景的最主要因素。
 
旧帖 2014-10-08 00:45:51
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爵士冰 离线 爵士冰 我们这些国内划艇爱好者的大河漂流经验,还是小学生水平。
 
旧帖 2014-10-08 01:40:50
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04
爵士冰 wrote:
我们这些国内划艇爱好者的大河漂流经验,还是小学生水平。

冰大侠,作为大河漂流的领头人和金犀牛获奖者,您有空给一点感想或经验吧,全国野漂朋友从您的经历中得到灵感和启发。
 
旧帖 2014-10-08 07:28:06
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 正像昊子大侠指出, 也是冰大侠去年黄漂刚开始寻找的东西,大河的主力军不是硬艇, 也不是小充气船, 而是摇橹船和大筏,而中国的皮划艇漂流这一块比较缺。不过最早的雅漂,长漂,黄漂,还有杨勇他们用的基本是大筏。这方面技术从来没有在网络上讨论过,发展也比较缓慢。

摇橹船和大筏, 作为救援和后勤的重要保障,是任何其他小艇无法做到地。

北美标准漂流大河的方式:
1 全部是大筏
2 大筏母鸡带小鸡充气船
3 大筏母鸡带小鸡皮划硬艇

我最近在这方面有所打算,专门开贴学习。本团队也刚制备了一套摇橹大筏。
 
旧帖 2014-10-09 12:09:44
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皮划艇安全系列之二:大河事故特征和救援
 
万里孤鸦 离线 万里孤鸦 我个人的认识是,大筏跟硬艇在大河救援里只能说各有优缺点。大筏的优点在救援人数和救援装备在数量上的优势。硬艇则是因为速度及灵活性在救援地点及时效性上的优势。比如硬艇可以在滩尾切入一个石头后的小回水等待去救援,也可以在急流中迅速靠近待救者。而大艇通常很难做到这些。至于说国外大河漂流主流是大筏子是不是更多是因为后勤物资方面的考虑?

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旧帖 2014-10-09 17:25:54
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小鱼儿大拿 离线 小鱼儿大拿 好帖,顶起,学习了!
 
旧帖 2014-10-09 17:27:55
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小鱼儿大拿 离线 小鱼儿大拿 其实这些的讨论,主要还是你选择的河流和你的领队经验! 文大川 还有彩云三江 有大筏漂流!桨手实在重要.
 
旧帖 2014-10-09 23:09:34
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 案例4 非常经典
http://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/Accident/detail/accidentid/588/
NEAR MISS IN WESTWATER CANYON
By Slim Ray
A rescue class got a taste of the real thing On May 23 1991. I was teaching a class for Canyonlands Field Institute out of Moab, Utah. The CFI course, developed by Barry Miller, emphasizes dynamic, in-water rescue techniques for oar boats on big, continuous water. The clinic arrived Friday at Westwater Canyon. My co-instructor was Ron Griffith, who has had extensive big water experience in Utah and Westwater canyon. The students were all from S'Plore, a Salt Lake City group specializing in trips for special population (disabled, mentally retarded, etc.). There were four student boats, a student safety boat, and a safety boat from CFI. All were oar boats, and both instructors were in student oar boats. The Colorado river was about 8,000 efs when we put on, and rising.
Saturday night the trip had camped at Little Dolores, just above the rapids section of the Canyon. After a morning classroom session on the beach, the class did rapid swimming just below Little Dolores. By now the river had come up to nearly 12,000 cfs, which meant that most of the canyon was virtually one continuous big-water rapid. The class proceeded downstream, doing safety and rescue exercise in the rapids. After a boat towing exercise, all boats from the class had eddied out below Funnel Falls Rapid. Most of the boats were just below the rapid; however, my boatman had trouble catching the eddies (the water was a lot pushier and the eddies smaller than most of them were used to) and ended up in an eddy a hundred yards or so below the main group. Ron was with the upstream group.
 
旧帖 2014-10-09 23:11:48
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 As everyone bailed, two oar rafts approached Funnel Falls. The second boat, flipped at the top of Funnel Falls and began washing downstream down. At the high water level (11,500 cfs), Westwater Gorge is virtually continuous boiling, swirling water, making rescue difficult. The upstream CFI group saw the flip and moved into position for a rescue. The boat accompanying the stricken boat, however, continued through the rapid and was unable to render assistance. The CFI student boats came alongside the upside-down raft and began a rescue attempt. At the time they had no idea how many victims were involved. Only two heads were visible. One of the crew of the overturned raft, Steve, attempted to get on top of the boat, failed, and was picked up by one of the CFI boasts. The other person's head, (this was Mike Franklin), was barely visible alongside the overturned raft. The rescuers reached him quickly but were unable to pull him out of the water. After several long moments it became obvious that Franklin was hung on something. One of the CFI students got on top of the raft and another into the water to try to rescue Franklin. They were unsuccessful.
Meanwhile the entire group was moving rapidly downstream toward Skull Rapid, the largest rapid in the canyon (the distance between Funnel Falls and Skull is about three-quarters of a mile). Because of the power of the water, the group was unable to tow the overturned raft into an eddy. Rescue attempts continued until the group reached a point about 200 yards above Skull. The group had passed me and I was trying to overhaul them downstream: a slow process. As Ron passed he yelled to me that he thought we had someone entangled in a throw rope. As I approached I could see Franklin's head surface from time to time. Ron's raft was now next to Franklin's and he had him by the shoulders of his lifejacket. Angela was at the oars. I still had my swim fins on from the swimming exercise. After hearing Ron's shouted comments about the rope, I took off the heavy rubber gloves I was wearing and took out my knife (it was a folding Gerber; I did not open it). As our raft approached, I saw that 1) because of the number of rafts already around Franklin's raft, I wouldn't be able to get to it quickly, and 2) somebody needed to get in the water with the victim, so I went in and swam about fifty feet to the raft. Ron and I began frantically to try to free Franklin. When it became obvious that we were all going into Skull Rapid, Ron waved off the other boats to run Skull. We tried to keep contact with the victim as we did so. Ron kept hold of his life jacket, I tried to hold the boats together and keep hold of Franklin, and Angela somehow managed to row the two boats through Skull without hitting the (very large) hole. During the ride though Skull I got the victim's lifejacket free of the spare oar. As it turned out, the blade of the spare oar was pushed through the right arm hole and between the top and second snaps of the victim's Type V lifejacket. I was able to free him by unsnapping the top buckle. Ron had also had the foresight to brief everyone on how to run Skull before we left the beach for the day, and all the student boats made it through upright.
 
旧帖 2014-10-09 23:13:12
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 After Franklin was freed, Ron was able to get him into his raft in the tailwaves of Skull Rapid, while Angela rowed into the eddy on river left. A quick survey showed that Franklin was breathing but unconscious. He became responsive within a few minutes and fully regained consciousness after 5-7 minutes. A check with other members of the party revealed that two other raft passengers were missing. The overturned raft had continued downstream after Franklin's party, had eddied out at Skull. Ron quickly organized a search/rescue party of two rafts, a CFI student boat and the CFI safety boat, and headed off downstream in search of the missing rafters. I stayed in the eddy in Angela's raft to look after Franklin, who was in fairly serious condition.
Ron proceeded about 3/4 mile downstream to find the upside-down boat hung on a loop from a throw bag in swift current below Last Chance rapid (the last one in the canyon). He and Mike Smith (who was rowing the CFI safety boat) began rescue attempts and a search for survivors. They first tried unsuccessfully to bump and push the boat off with their rafts as they passed. Finally Ron succeeded in swimming out to the raft, just in time to see a person floating away from under it. Mike picked the man up. This was Lester, one of the missing passengers. While Ron retrieved the raft and checked underneath for the second missing passenger, Mike continued on around the bend. He proceeded half a mile more (the water was flat here) with the intention of stopping on a beach to warm up Lester. There he found Sarah, the other missing passenger, sitting on the beach, incoherent. Smith quickly set up a camp, changed the victims into dry clothes and sleeping bags, and gave them hot drinks.
 
旧帖 2014-10-10 00:42:39
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 测试 Upstream 我不知道为何贴不了全文。

作者Slim Ray 是世界上最知名的白水救援教材作者, 应该是白水救援的顶尖专家。他的书我5/6年前就拜读第一遍了。
kurtyang04 于 2014-10-10 00:55:32 编辑
 
旧帖 2014-10-11 14:54:17
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小鱼儿大拿 离线 小鱼儿大拿
kurtyang04 wrote:
测试 Upstream 我不知道为何贴不了全文。

作者Slim Ray 是世界上最知名的白水救援教材作者, 应该是白水救援的顶尖专家。他的书我5/6年前就拜读第一遍了。

楼主,能不能翻译一下
 
旧帖 2014-10-11 15:29:20
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皮划艇安全系列之二:大河事故特征和救援
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04
小鱼儿大拿 wrote:
楼主,能不能翻译一下


一定会得,最近事多。

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旧帖 2014-10-16 16:17:05
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mofang464 离线 mofang464 触目惊心之余,发现几个问题。上面提到的一些大河事故或者险情,有几个严重问题值得注意:
       1、用实战代替训练
            某些新人似乎没有经历过严格的大河危机救援的训练,不要说救人,连被救都很陌生,导致队友也面临巨大的风险;
       2、领队-队员、队员-队员之间相互了解不足
            在不熟悉和充分了解所有队员的身体素质、技术水平、装备的情况下,作为领队把大家带下水是一种极不负责的冒险行为。同样的,一个队员对于自身客观条件没有一个理性的认知,绝对存在着害人害己的隐患;
       3、救援措施和装备不到位
            虽然户外活动确实存在风险,但在缺乏必要的安全措施和装备的情况下贸然下水,确实太轻率了。一旦出问题,领队和组织者难辞其咎,大家也都不好看。对这项运动也会产生极大的负面影响。
       4、大河漂流不同于静水这种相对危险较小的项目,但是感觉好像经过一种系统的学习和训练的情况很少,基本上都是个人或者小团体自己摸索尝试着在搞,这种情况一个是进步缓慢,而且存在实战风险。
      一个项目的发展壮大需要不断补充新鲜血液,但是万万不可失去控制,盲目浮躁和各自为战出事概率极大。真心希望磨房水版逐渐扩大影响力,特别希望顶尖高手多花点时间和精力帮助后学,将自己的技术和经验系统的加以总结,在光大划友当中传播正确的知识、心得和理念。
 
旧帖 2014-10-16 22:08:49
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04
mofang464 wrote:
触目惊心之余,发现几个问题。上面提到的一些大河事故或者险情,有几个严重问题值得注意:
       1、用实战代替训练
            某些新人似乎没有经历过严格的大河危机救援的训练,不要说救人,连被救都很陌生,导致队友也面临巨大的风险;
       2、领队-队员、队员-队员之间相互了解不足
            在不熟悉和充分了解所有队员的身体素质、技术水平、装备的情况下,作为领队把大家带下水是一种极不负责的冒险行为。同样的,一个队员对于自身客观条件没有一个理性的认知,绝对存在着害人害己的隐患;
       3、救援措施和装备不到位
            虽然户外活动确实存在风险,但在缺乏必要的安全措施和装备的情况下贸然下水,确实太轻率了。一旦出问题,领队和组织者难辞其咎,大家也都不好看。对这项运动也会产生极大的负面影响。
       4、大河漂流不同于静水这种相对危险较小的项目,但是感觉好像经过一种系统的学习和训练的情况很少,基本上都是个人或者小团体自己摸索尝试着在搞,这种情况一个是进步缓慢,而且存在实战风险。
      一个项目的发展壮大需要不断补充新鲜血液,但是万万不可失去控制,盲目浮躁和各自为战出事概率极大。真心希望磨房水版逐渐扩大影响力,特别希望顶尖高手多花点时间和精力帮助后学,将自己的技术和经验系统的加以总结,在光大划友当中传播正确的知识、心得和理念。


说得对,能分析出之所以然,本身就是一种学习提高过程。

知彼知己,百战不殆。 知道自己的短处,了解危险的地方和机理,就能避开无数事故的隐患。
 
旧帖 2014-11-07 23:24:10
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爵士冰 离线 爵士冰
kurtyang04 wrote:
冰大侠,作为大河漂流的领头人和金犀牛获奖者,您有空给一点感想或经验吧,全国野漂朋友从您的经历中得到灵感和启发。

 我也是半路出家这几年才开始尝试探索大河漂流,从11年的通天河漂流开始,每年都有几次在青藏高原上的大河漂流活动,在一次次的漂流活动中,我热爱和迷恋上了这项户外运动,也经历了由无知而无畏到有知而畏惧过程。
进行长途远征式的大河漂流是一项系统的工程,类似于登山运动中的喜马拉雅式攀登八千米雪山。是漂流运动各种元素的集大成的展示,需要各种艇和筏子和后勤保障和相关人员的配合,以及漂流过程中何种因素的多方面考虑。
而国内水上运动的发展才几年,从事这项运动人员的能力,技术,安全等知识的了解和学习渠道不多,沉淀远远不够,大河漂流最关键的大筏子和撸桨相关技术更是没有实践经验积累的过程,路漫漫远兮!!!
很希望这里能够接触和学习到国外的更多经验和理念,让国内的大河漂流运动能健康的成长,减少无知无畏的代价!
后年是长漂三十周年纪念,我们将~~~~~~~~~~~~~~undefined
 
旧帖 2014-11-08 04:56:45
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皮划艇安全系列之二:大河事故特征和救援
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04
有冰大侠参与讨论,磨房水板就完整了,统领全国。非常感谢大侠提出的问题,是到时间提高中国野漂探险技术和救援水平了。


爵士冰 wrote:
 我也是半路出家这几年才开始尝试探索大河漂流,从11年的通天河漂流开始,每年都有几次在青藏高原上的大河漂流活动,在一次次的漂流活动中,我热爱和迷恋上了这项户外运动,也经历了由无知而无畏到有知而畏惧过程。
进行长途远征式的大河漂流是一项系统的工程,类似于登山运动中的喜马拉雅式攀登八千米雪山。是漂流运动各种元素的集大成的展示,需要各种艇和筏子和后勤保障和相关人员的配合,以及漂流过程中何种因素的多方面考虑。
而国内水上运动的发展才几年,从事这项运动人员的能力,技术,安全等知识的了解和学习渠道不多,沉淀远远不够,大河漂流最关键的大筏子和撸桨相关技术更是没有实践经验积累的过程,路漫漫远兮!!!
很希望这里能够接触和学习到国外的更多经验和理念,让国内的大河漂流运动能健康的成长,减少无知无畏的代价!
后年是长漂三十周年纪念,我们将~~~~~~~~~~~~~~undefined

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旧帖 2014-11-08 10:29:33
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Re: 皮划艇安全系列之二:大河事故特征和救援
 
爵士冰 离线 爵士冰 分享三张今年九月初我组队漂流雅砻江上游的照片,此次漂流活动历时五天,漂流距离约三百公里。有四种不同的艇参与此次活动,其中两条14尺的排桨艇,这是我们首次在大河漂流中使用到大筏子,经验还在积累中。
 
旧帖 2018-01-22 07:35:55
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皮划艇安全系列之二:大河事故特征和救援
 
深海漫游 离线 深海漫游 跟爵士冰2017岁末云南三江连漂,队里有几个顶尖硬艇及救援配置,我体会了两种脱艇后的被救:抓住急流硬艇尾被同一救援者连艇带人带到岸边,X救援,很有效率。
目前在努力训练,希望尽快变为硬艇救人的角色。

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旧帖 2018-01-22 23:33:13
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Re: 皮划艇安全系列之二:大河事故特征和救援
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04
深海漫游 wrote:
跟爵士冰2017岁末云南三江连漂,队里有几个顶尖硬艇及救援配置,我体会了两种脱艇后的被救:抓住急流硬艇尾被同一救援者连艇带人带到岸边,X救援,很有效率。
目前在努力训练,希望尽快变为硬艇救人的角色。




赞,欢迎老资格爱好者的,多过来交流。
 
旧帖 2018-01-27 17:12:33
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Re: 皮划艇安全系列之二:大河事故特征和救援
 
马可菠萝蜜 离线 马可菠萝蜜 首先呼吁划白水的同学多出来交流,过度小群里转,即不利自己成长,也无法对大皮划艇圈有所贡献。中国皮划艇的发展靠你靠我. 不要太图自己爽,把经验传给后来的人才是中国皮划艇的最缺的东西!

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旧帖 2018-02-01 23:27:25
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Re: 皮划艇安全系列之二:大河事故特征和救援
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04
马可菠萝蜜 wrote:
首先呼吁划白水的同学多出来交流,过度小群里转,即不利自己成长,也无法对大皮划艇圈有所贡献。中国皮划艇的发展靠你靠我. 不要太图自己爽,把经验传给后来的人才是中国皮划艇的最缺的东西!



握手。

我早呼吁这样了,可惜没有人听我的。

 
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