Landscape
Sipadan is a column rise from a deep sea. The sea bottom is 600M, in human point of view, it is no bottom. The island is surrounded by coral reef. The reef is many times bigger than the island. Most of the reefs are less than 10M from surface. At the edge, all are drop off and hence no bottom.
Restriction to beginners
OW are not allowed to dive below 18M. As all the sites are drop off, all OW divers could go except the depth limit. You may say you could go deeper if the DM allows to. Let me tell you guys my own experience. A beginner didn’t control his buoyancy well. He dropped deeper. He didn’t notice but found his ear painful and he closed his eyes and blew his nose. As his BCD was compressed when he sank, he sank faster and faster. I don’t want to talk about the result here but could tell you it was a diving accident with injury.
Of course, a dive shop should not put divers with different experience into a single group. However, it is no guarantee.
Precaution should be aware of are:
Different depth
If 2 or more beginners join a big group, the big group will dive deep to the ocean. It is not possible to have a small group dive at 18M but another small group dive at 30M. It is very difficult to manage two groups of people. The beginners group may stop for a school of Jacks or even a few turtles but the divers in the deep may not notice and go forward or vice versa. Secondly, the current in shallow water may differ from the deep. Anyway, one DM leads 2 groups of divers in different depth must be prohibited.
Ascent at different time (my own experience)
One sub-group (A) is more air consumed. They ascended to the surface or shallow part earlier than the other sub-group (. Group A ascended earlier did not have a SMB. After the sub-group B finished the dive, they used more than 20 minutes to locate the sub-group A. Why? It was because the current could drift the people half a km away in 10 minutes or even much faster occasionally.
You guess how many km was drifted including the searching time.
Underwater attraction
Says, you meet a school of barracuda. The group of people will rush to the school. The beginners have to follow the experience divers. The experience divers will concentrate to take photos or videos and ignore the beginners. What would happen if the current is so strong that some people can kick against the current but some cannot. The group will be split.
Many incidents can be easily handled by experienced divers but will be a lethal or scary accident to a beginner. For example: gear malfunction, strong current, concentration in photography, equalization problem, getting lost and a lot more.
To play safe, the number of beginners should be big enough to form a single group which will lead by a DM or instructor. If there is only one beginner in a group of experienced divers, he or she has to be accompanied by a very experienced diver who can be trust. If 2 or more beginners dive with a big group, please aware of the above incidents. Or an alternative, take a AOW course, an instructor will be designated to you.
斗湖？你指的是去 SIPADAN吗？
相对sipadan比较远点，也贵，推荐LOG少的diver 先去 MALAPASCUA
呃..对吖...计划去sipadan...但是怕不适合初学者...
我4月初在SIPADAN，你们啥时候去啊
时间还没定...有好几个选择... 现在最主要是选择地点...sipadan会不会不适合初学...
Sipadan岛海域是要你拿了证后才准去深潜的，你要学OW的话，教练会在其他的小岛附近的海域教啦，比如Siban什么的，都有浅滩，不似Sipadan的珊瑚峭壁那样情况复杂。
LZ問得好，我答。
去Malapascua啦，不要去Sipadan喇。
看到越來越多新手去一些不適合的地方，我寫多D啦，但是打中文太慢，用英文。
Sipadan
Landscape
Sipadan is a column rise from a deep sea. The sea bottom is 600M, in human point of view, it is no bottom. The island is surrounded by coral reef. The reef is many times bigger than the island. Most of the reefs are less than 10M from surface. At the edge, all are drop off and hence no bottom.
Restriction to beginners
OW are not allowed to dive below 18M. As all the sites are drop off, all OW divers could go except the depth limit. You may say you could go deeper if the DM allows to. Let me tell you guys my own experience. A beginner didn’t control his buoyancy well. He dropped deeper. He didn’t notice but found his ear painful and he closed his eyes and blew his nose. As his BCD was compressed when he sank, he sank faster and faster. I don’t want to talk about the result here but could tell you it was a diving accident with injury.
Of course, a dive shop should not put divers with different experience into a single group. However, it is no guarantee.
Precaution should be aware of are:
Different depth
If 2 or more beginners join a big group, the big group will dive deep to the ocean. It is not possible to have a small group dive at 18M but another small group dive at 30M. It is very difficult to manage two groups of people. The beginners group may stop for a school of Jacks or even a few turtles but the divers in the deep may not notice and go forward or vice versa. Secondly, the current in shallow water may differ from the deep. Anyway, one DM leads 2 groups of divers in different depth must be prohibited.
Ascent at different time (my own experience)
. Group A ascended earlier did not have a SMB. After the sub-group B finished the dive, they used more than 20 minutes to locate the sub-group A. Why? It was because the current could drift the people half a km away in 10 minutes or even much faster occasionally.
One sub-group (A) is more air consumed. They ascended to the surface or shallow part earlier than the other sub-group (
You guess how many km was drifted including the searching time.
Underwater attraction
Says, you meet a school of barracuda. The group of people will rush to the school. The beginners have to follow the experience divers. The experience divers will concentrate to take photos or videos and ignore the beginners. What would happen if the current is so strong that some people can kick against the current but some cannot. The group will be split.
Many incidents can be easily handled by experienced divers but will be a lethal or scary accident to a beginner. For example: gear malfunction, strong current, concentration in photography, equalization problem, getting lost and a lot more.
To play safe, the number of beginners should be big enough to form a single group which will lead by a DM or instructor. If there is only one beginner in a group of experienced divers, he or she has to be accompanied by a very experienced diver who can be trust. If 2 or more beginners dive with a big group, please aware of the above incidents. Or an alternative, take a AOW course, an instructor will be designated to you.
以个人的经历而言，不建议初学者去Malapascua，参见：http://www.doyouhike.net/forum/240964,0,0,1.html
哈哈，那个贴很有价值。
我只是在两个地方选一个而已。其实Malapascua也可以考虑的，Monad Shoal等长尾是18M，OW也可以。
很多适合新手的地方都有危险的，最重要是DM/教练与成员的比率。最好是把AOW也学上，因为有教练盯着，安全指数高很多。
派西瓜都唔误Y，如果好彩，有长尾，manta, Gato有个洞适合新手捐一下，又肯定見到white tip, 那些沉船就唔岩新手了，太深。反正方两个地方都想去，去完派西瓜去屎疤蛋啦。
由浅入深、循序渐进，这是任何学习的规律，既然是规律多半都是前人通过付出代价总结出来的，为什么还会有那么多的初学者会无视这些发自肺腑的劝告呢？！
其实走上潜水这条路，对绝大部分人来讲，就是一辈子的事情，所以根本不用急，好的潜点，至少几年甚至十几年都在那里，一定会有机会去看到，一步一步来，才能享受更多的精彩！
有心的人，可以比别人走得更快，但是也是一步步的，只是频率会比别人快些，比如论坛上被点过名的几个潜水狂人（是学习的狂人，不是玩命的狂人），其实也是踏踏实实走好每一步、不断积累技术和经验，可以走得快并不意味着可以抄捷径和少付出，如果你可以把半年收入和全部假期统统扔到海里，那你没理由走得不快，哈哈！
顺便说一句：庙湾同样不适合新人，所以如果每周都想去尝尝仙桃以外的烂梨解解渴，各位XDJM请加油！
谢谢kelvin和cacrot,我想我还是去升了aow再说了...这么多海...慢慢来咯...
呵...kelvin写这么多..好耐心的说..赞一个...
PS:cacrot怎么知道我在跟庙湾的帖呃...有心人...
我刚从sipadan学习OW回来，没有觉得有什么难度阿。很漂亮，还看见鲨鱼
嘿嘿,其实都可以了,SIPADAN好玩点,可以先在MABUL海边进行限制水域练习及第一,二次开放水域潜水,再去SIBADAN完成剩下二至三次开放水域潜水.
MALAPASCUA初学反而没什么好看的,向导不会带你钻GATO的TUNNEL.去看MANTA不一定看的到,早上去看THRESHER流比较大.珊瑚被台风破坏了,没什么好看,对于AOW就好玩点了,在GATO带双攀岩鞋,可以DEEPWATER那的岩壁.
各说各的,都有各自的道理呢,呵呵...
不过呢,即使去sipadan,如果找一个潜导只带我们3个,应该Ok的吧...
不过听kelvin说得我有点担心的...暂时决定考aow...
11，12 楼，
这个贴是谈新手去玩，fun dive，不是学呀。学潜，什么位置，危不危险，是教练说的。
Monad Shoal 的珊瑚不是台风破坏的，是炸坏的。长尾，manta，看运气啦，不要有太大期望。
錦顏
去Sipadan, 找一个潜导只带3个,Ok，没问题，不如学埋AOW啦，可以保证一个带三个，又可以打开很多限制。
两个地方都有危险的，最大区别是一个有底，一个没底，讲多一次经验，全部人在2X米，有一个diver，没错，是一个，不是两个，追鱼追到不知多少米，只看到气泡，那DM应该怎样做？
去sipadan得有个心理准备.
潜导每次都会带你去比较深的地方,至少也有20几米吧.
还是听kelvin的话,先学aow吧...
你可以直接去Sipadan or Semporna学AOW
，fun dive就危险姐，学不会危险的。
上面打那么多字是对几个logs就去Sipadan玩fun dive 的人说的。
都是打算再找学ow的那个教练再学过aow....在普吉....
以后等俺学了aow以后,kelvin要带我们一起玩哦...
Malapascua潜水的主题是长尾鲨、豆丁海马、麒麟鱼，其中长尾鲨、豆丁海马分别在22米、24米，只有麒麟鱼在6、7米，另外今年春节遇到一拨据说要潜水的中国人，他们的第一潜其中两个刚跳下船就被海浪冲走了。包括PADI在内的各潜水组织的教材中对潜水深度都有明确的标准，而且成年人相信有自己的判断能力，合不合适去自己看着办吧。
真有意思，“新手与诗巴丹”怎么成了一个经久不衰的话题了，这么小的圈子俯拾可见啊。把我在一位温州潜友的帖子里发的回复copy过来，也算我作为一个第4～6个LOG就写在诗巴丹的案例的前车之鉴。
“我就是一学完OW就下诗巴丹的典型，不妨拿来做个案例。
首先是诗巴丹的美艳极大引发了潜水的兴趣。那就是一下High到头的感觉，一下水三次梭鱼风暴，即使没有对比，也会惊艳到窒息。
其次是对新手的心理考验很大，600米悬崖岂是浪得虚名。新手刚刚熟悉水下陌生世界，立即又来到更陌生的无底洞，就算站住了，向下望，心脏还是会剧烈收缩几下，一下子又High了。
最后是其它一般的潜点难出其右，很快产生审美疲劳。那是“爱过英雄好汉，还会爱凡夫俗子吗”的落寞。接下来要么变成马尔代夫级的观光豪客，要么变成抱着气瓶潜浴缸的技术狂人。我为此郁闷了一阵子，现在总算是调整过来了。
最好的时光，还是让它慢慢到来。”
啊哦..又一个答案....
各抒己见呃...
8过咧,我决定了学aow...呵呵...就像kelvin说的...可以打开很多禁忌呀...
而且好似婵引用的那段其中一句...最美的风光...还是让他慢慢到来...
是“最好的时光”，请尊重原创，哈哈
嗯...暂定计划是4月初去西米兰学aow..
嘿嘿....