f/潜水 2011-09-15 17:11

SONY NEX5,是否会成为从小DC升级的一个新选择?

在陆地上火热的微电系统,终于也可以下水了,对于不愿意承担单反昂贵价格和体积重量但是又希望能够得到更好画质的人来说,这应该是一个值得认真考虑的选择。

Aquatica和Nauticam最近都推出了各自针对NEX-5设计的housing,从外观看更喜欢Nauticam,感觉他的配件似乎也较Aquatica多一些。不过Aquatica有一个很好的设计,有效利用了NEX-5可以翻转屏幕的特点,把LED位置观察窗做成带角度倾斜的,方便观察。

两个厂家housing的介绍如下:
http://aquatica.ca/en/products_dslr_an5.html

http://nauticam.com/product.asp?id=101

厂家试拍样张地址:
http://nauticam.smugmug.com/HousingTests/NA-NEX5-test-w18-55-Cebu-Aug/15322039_bwNwMt#1146515640_JGEXj

关于NEX-5相对小DC水下拍摄的优势,从imaging resource上摘抄部分如下:

1、可换镜头,终于可以有专有的微距和广角头可用了(SONY原产镜头质量比CANON红圈还略弱了一些,虽然可以通过转接环把蔡司徕卡的各种牛头装上去,但是在水下没有自动对焦,跟废了武功差不多,希望将来能有所改观,即使这样,镜头上和小DC比,提高也是飞跃级别的)
2、接近单反系统的对焦速度,连拍可达7fps,对于水中拍摄活动的物体来说,有小DC无法比拟的优势(至少用G9,我从来没成功微距在F2.8时准确的对到一条nemo上)
3、NEX-5拥有和7D同样大小的CMOS,几乎是G系列相机的15倍,可以这样理解,拍同样大小一只海兔,可以使用15倍于G12的底片来表现海兔的细节,更不用提色彩宽容度、抗噪上的提高。
4、支持高清视频拍摄(由于没后期能力,拍了也是空占着硬盘空间,没自己研究功能强大与否,希望有熟悉的朋友能介绍一下)

相对大象来说,无论镜头的可选程度还是机身的性能都有不小的差距,但实在是体积小啊!!!和可拍出相片的素质比起来,体积可以说是值得骂娘的小!在网上找了价格算了下,配上单灯拥有成本应该在3万左右,和大象的比起来,成本优势非常明显。

NEX-5 + 16mm F2.8 + VCL-ECF1鱼眼转换器 + 30mm F2.8 Micro=3200+1000+1000+2600=7800
Nauticam NA-NEX5 Housing +E mount 4.33" fisheye port + EA30 port for Sony LA-EA1 and SAL 30m f2.8lens =10500+3000+2000=15500

评测原文:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1285012325.html

PRESS RELEASE: Nauticam NA-NEX5 Housing for Sony NEX-5

Innovation Underwater

Nauticam proudly announces the NA-NEX5 Housing for the Sony NEX-5. This camera and housing package offers image quality traditionally only available from much larger SLR systems and ease of use previously found only in compact systems.

Sony NEX-5
Sony’s NEX-5 is a ground breaking camera, one of the first of a new generation of digital cameras, commonly known as EVIL (Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens). These mirrorless cameras feature a DSLR sized sensor and interchangeable lenses in a body sized more like a point & shoot camera. The NEX-5 camera is half the size, half the weight, and much simpler to use than traditional DSLR cameras. Its interchangeable lenses allow exceptional flexibility in various shooting situations. Full HD Video (1080/60i), with on demand autofocus, is also included, making this one of the most fully featured and versatile compact systems available today.

NEX-5 offers much faster shutter response than current compact cameras, and autofocus nearly as fast as the best SLR systems. Continuous shooting speeds up to 7 fps allow fast action capture, making it ideal for fast action capture, both on land and underwater.

The primary reason for NEX-5’s superior image quality is its larger image sensor. The APS-C sized sensor (approximately the same size as Nikon D300s and Canon 7D) has 9x the surface area of the Canon G11, and 15x the surface area of the Sealife DC1200. Larger sensors mean larger photo sites that yield superior low light performance and greater dynamic range.

NauticamNA-NEX5 Housing
Nauticam engineers started with a clean slate for their first compact camera housing. Innovation, ease of use, and ergonomics were their #1 priority. The result is an amazingly compact housing, with all ofthe NEX-5 camera controls available from the ergonomic grip sculpted into the side of the housing. The Nauticam patented locking port release system has been incorporated (with a retro styling twist, paying homage to Nikonos systems), allowing easy and secure port changes.

The camera is quickly mounted in the housing via a snap in camera tray, and the housing is securely closed with a clasp featuring double safety release buttons. The compact form factor and outstanding low light performance make this a perfect system for technical divers exploring extended range environments.

A wide variety of lenses are available to the NEX shooter, including the ultra wide fisheye perspective from Sony E 16mm /2.8 + VCL-ECF1 Fisheye Converter, the versatile E 18-55 Zoom Lens for fish portraits and closeup photography, and highest resolution super macro results attainable using a Nikonos lens with extension tubes.

Angled LCD Display
The large 3” NEX-5 Display can be angled up at approximately 15degrees allowing easier composition and more comfortable diving posture. The angled LCD greatly enhances perspective when shooting low subjects, and facilitates an upward shooting angle for blue water backgrounds.

Patented Port Locking System
With a salute to the past, Nauticam’s Locking Port Release adopts Nikonos system styling cues, and quickly allows port optics or adapters to be changed with no twisting or threading, minimizing the possibility of o-ring extrusion. Fast. Simple. Secure.

Double Safety Housing Clasp
The housing back is sealed with an easy to operate safety clasp. Dual safety buttons eliminate the chance of accidental opening.

Nauticam Build Quality
Only the finest materials and cutting edge manufacturing processes are used to make Nauticam housings. The housing body is machined from solid aircraft grade aluminum, then hard anodized making it impervious to salt water. Marine grade stainless steel is used in all fasteners. Nauticam flat ports are optically coated glass, and the optional 4.33” dome port is an optical grade acrylic. The large acrylic LCD window is treated with an anti-reflective, scratch resistant coating.

Optional Rubberized Ergonomic Handles
Nauticam uses a sophisticated overmold process to produce extremely comfortable rubberized ergonomic hand grips. The soft feel and ergonomic design make the housing easy to grip and minimize hand fatigue on long dives. Both single and double handle configurations are available for complete customization, and each handle can be adjusted laterally allowing the user to dial in perfect fit.

Optical Flash Connectors for Inon S-TTL, and Sea & Sea DS-TTL
Reliable automatic flash exposure is available with Nauticam housings and a variety of optically fired flashes. Inon Z-240, D-2000, S-2000, Sea & Sea YS-110 Alpha, and YS-01 strobes provide automated lighting, precisely reproducing the camera’s onboard flash at a proportionally greater intensity. This system yields accurate TTL flash performance with no electrical sync cables to flood!

Nikonos V Len Support
One of the unique advantages of a mirrorless system is that almost lens can be used via an adapter. One of the options this makes possible is an adapter for the heralded Nikonos U/W Nikkor water contact range finder lenses. While the Sony E- mount lenses offer excellent optics and autofocus performance, the Nikonos lenses yield incredibly sharp images.

Specifications

Depth Rating: 100m (E18-55 Port 75m)
Dimensions: 164mm x 118 x 83mm
Standard Features

Patented Locking Port Release Lever
Super Sensitive Shutter Release
Optical Strobe Connectors
M10 Threaded Hole for Strobe Attachment
Cold Shoe for Accessory Mounting
Embossed Control Function Labels
Quick Release Camera Mounting Shoe
Complete Access to All Camera Controls
Optional Accessories

4.33” Dome Port for Sony SEL16F28 16mm + VCL-ECF1 Fisheye Conversion Lens, #36125
E18-55 Port for Sony 18-55 F3.5-5.6 Zoom Lens, #36121
E18-55 Zoom Gear for Sony 18-55 F3.5-5.6 Zoom Lens, #36122
Pancake Flat Port for Sony E 16mm, #36124
67mm Closeup Lens Holder for Macro Photography with E18-55 Port, #36123
Nikonos U/W Nikkor Lens Adapter, #36201
Tray with Left Handle, #36311
Right Handle, #36312
USA Retail Price, $1550

Estimated Shipping Date, September 27

Nauticam NA-NEX5 Housing
for the Sony NEX-5

题外话:没有研究NEX的镜头组,不知道是不是出自蔡司之手,目前可选不多,只有18-55mm, 16mm, 30mm,好在对于水下使用体裁明确,16广角,30微距两个应该够用了,有点遗憾30mm*1.6以后也只有48mm,拍小虾小蟹之类的容易惊吓到小动物,不如百微,可以离很远拍。

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懒狗 OP 2011-09-15 18:55

勘误:NEX通过原厂转接环可以配α卡口镜头,支持自动对焦。镜头的选择余地大大增加了。

最新上市的E卡口镜头是索尼E 30mm f/3.5微距(SEL30M35)原贴中30mm f/2.8为α卡口需要额外配转接环才能用,port是专为该镜头配转接环用的。

另一个选择是:用原厂18-55套头,配一个49mm口径的近摄镜,55mm*1.6倍率相当于88mm,焦距够长,带着变焦镜头下水,拍摄体裁更加灵活

想咨询个问题:
同一厂家开发的不同housing port的口径是否一致,比如说,Nauticam没有出NEX版支持100mm的port,能不能配个Nauticam 百微的port接在NEX的housing上用?

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camelboy 2011-09-16 03:53

微单好买,壳难配啊!
那叫一个贵啊!
先慢慢攒银子吧。

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fat_fish 2011-09-16 08:26

微单的壳子基本在1W多,10bar的便宜一些,在5000左右。但是由于相机本身比大单反便宜,所以整体相对单反下水,还是比较低的。体积更是小了很多。上海有一家代理卖防水壳的,taobao上也有店。不过需要订货,周期相对较长。

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懒狗 OP fat_fish 2011-09-16 08:45

10bar的这个和其他品牌的housing比起来,有很大差别吗?价格差了这么多

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fat_fish 2011-09-16 08:57

个人说不好,用10bar的人也很多,据听说都是些小毛病。

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馒头香香 2011-09-16 09:06

还是单反好些吧....
我去了你给的厂家试拍样张相册看了看,
个人感觉拍摄效果很普通,佳能G系列的高手完全拍的出。
而且都是微距拍摄的,唯一的张广角点的(豚鱼那张)就惨不忍睹了。

价格3万多,也挺贵!

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懒狗 OP 馒头香香 2011-09-16 10:52

我同意从画质上来说,单反必定是最好的选择,但是如果考虑到即使G系列的机器配上增距和广角加灯以后,价格也近2万而去,这样比起来3万的价格,算是合理了。

厂家试拍的片子里,我比较看重成像质量,而不是拍摄技巧比如下面这张,在水下的时候G9应付这么小的生物,是很吃力的,从海葵的纹理和细节上,也可以看出和G系列在成像上的差距。

再看看你提到的puffer fish,不知道他用的那个焦距拍的,假使是最广的18mm端,乘上1.6的倍率以后,相当于135的28mm,成像质量并不能算差

又找了个nex-5 鱼眼样张,给大家参考下效果
地址:http://nauticam.smugmug.com/HousingTests/NA-NEX5-demo-w-Nikonos-15mm/15334574_BG4X7X#1147554616_iKyL9

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题外话:飞思现在也可以配壳诶,无论如何,底片大才是画质的王道呐

地址:http://nauticam.smugmug.com/HousingTests/Phase-One-645DFP65-w-120mm/18287668_WLbnT8#1407326937_V4vC7Cn

所有图片,都可以在网站上选择原始大小查看

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北 平 2011-09-16 09:09

对焦很鸡肋,完全是卡片机对焦模式,不能选择焦点,有时想对右边相机自动给你对左边,疯掉。

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懒狗 OP 北 平 2011-09-16 10:03

不能选择对焦点吗?这个G系列都可以实现的功能。我固定用中心对焦,对好了构图也不支持?这是个大问题,G9的对焦就够让人崩溃了

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fat_fish 2011-09-16 09:11

一个单反的铝合金防水壳,差不多就3W左右了。 微单下水,只是多了一个选择。

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checksum 2011-09-17 06:19

有几点需要注意的
①CMOS大了画质好没错,但是兄弟,CMOS越大,景深越浅,也就是说,你拍微距的时候将会更困难;同时NEX的操作、对焦仍是小DC一路,这样的话,使用NEX几乎肯定不会提高你出片的机率。
②7fps是好,可是闪光灯绝对跟不上的,只能用自然光拍,那就不是微距,是杯具了。

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懒狗 OP checksum 2011-09-17 08:35

CMOS大小和景深的关系还真是头一次听说,按说景深只是成像的纵深关系,怎么会被cmos大小影响了?能否详细解释一下?
7fps我也不知道干嘛用,微距想必是用不上的,如果对焦系统想大家说的这么不好,想必也不能用AI Focus拍manta了?

我认为,NEX显然不是个功能大而强的选择,但确实在体积和性能上,达到了一个比较好的平衡,我的问题是:NEX为了平衡体积而牺牲的那部分能力,对水下拍照会产生多大的影响?

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真·大头 2011-09-17 15:04

感光元件大小和景深完全没有关系,基本物理概念而已。不过要注意比较景深不能用换算后的镜头焦距,比如25mm的镜头就得和25mm的镜头比,不能说我换算后是50mm然后和50的标头比景深

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checksum 真·大头 2011-09-17 16:09

无语,只不过转了一个弯而已耶,只有一个啊。不要简单搜索一下网络就以为可以得到答案,电脑不能代替人脑的逻辑思维。镜头的焦距范围由什么决定?还不是片幅。

同样的50mm焦距,在小DC上是超长焦,在APS-C上是小人像,在135全画幅上是标头,在中画幅上是广角,在8x10大画幅上是……抱歉,貌似人类没有造出这样的镜头。所以:

一,小DC由于感光元件比小,镜头一般是5至6mm甚至更小起始,想在APS-C尺寸感光器的nex上获得同样的景深,按你的想法,用6mm吗?

二,在35毫米全画幅相机上最广的镜头是尼康的6毫米鱼眼,视角是220度。APS-C专用的镜头中,最广的是sigma的4.5mm,视角180度。

剩下的请自己计算。

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真·大头 2011-09-18 00:47

我说的和你所说的本不矛盾。

焦距是个长度。自维基百科:焦距,也称为焦长,是光学系统中衡量光的聚集或发散的度量方式,指从透镜中心到光聚集之焦点的距离。
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%84%A6%E8%B7%9D
或者你也可以翻翻初中物理课本。这个定义下的焦距和片幅没有半毛的关系。
有了直角三角形的两直边长度,焦距和1/2底片宽度,自然能算出来视角。回答你的问题一,是的,所以给你的感觉小dc的景深大。
如果你没有初中水平的数学物理知识,那直观点的认识,一张6X9片幅的底片,刷刷的裁掉4边剩下中心APS-C尺寸,然后景深就不一样了?

最后,相同的视角上不同的感光大小确实影响了景深,因为焦距变了。可惜镜头不标视角只标焦距。我这里指的焦距是刻在镜头上的那个,不是你在网络上搜出来的所谓“相对135系统”的焦距

不玩蜂鸟无忌上的口水仗,我也没有想说服你,反正错了又不会怀孕的。到此为止。

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懒狗 OP 2011-09-18 18:42

今天试用了下NEX,就机身而言,还是可用的,可以选择中心对焦后重新构图,也可以手动设置对焦点对焦。对焦速度不如单反快,但也决不会慢的让人难以忍受。目前看来NEX主要的欠缺还是在于镜头,而不是机身。

正好也被买了NEX的朋友上了一课,讲了讲nex对焦方式的原理,回来在网上查了些相关信息,才知道为什么同样是微电,NEX的对焦不如松下,同样是CANON的全副,1ds比5d2对焦快那么多。

转一个贴,有兴趣的朋友可以移步去看看:
http://www.douban.com/note/60178469/

摄影相关术语概念众多,光圈、快门速度、ISO、焦距、法兰距、景深、弥散圆、CCD、CMOS,彼此之间互相影响,才能拍出鲜活的照片,不够了解或者发生混淆是很正常的事,讨论,是为了彼此能够得到提高,大家都是喜欢海洋和摄影的人,肯定都是热爱生活的,彼此说话多一些尊重,才可能一起进步

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